Shorter device for erections?

[Atone]

I'm getting mixed signals here!

Everyone has a different anatomy. They also react to things in different ways and have different tolerance levels for discomfort. I think what you are getting is multiple experiences. As you add your own experience to the mix you will be able to relate to some and gain a better understanding of how you might react.

There are no easy answers and a lot of variables. It is unfortunate that it is so expensive to just try something. That is why so many recommend the CB6000 or CB6000s as a start, it allows you to change more of the variables with minimal additional expense.

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[Atone]

Okay! Never mind! Pansy Tart's methods set me straight! I'm a "grower" and we're looking at just under 2 inches when flaccid and as such, I'm thinking 1 inch should be fine for cage length. I also noted that I have plenty of girth, even when flaccid, so 1 1/8 inch to 1 1/4 inch would probably do the job in the width of the cage in question considering that I evidently want some room around her dick. The only real X factors here are the gap (3/8 inch will probably be fine, but that remains to be seen) and the ring size. Ring size, I believe that the 1 7/8 inch that it comes with is what I need, though if I suffer any night pain, I'll know to order a sizing kit in so I can get more accurate measurements right before ordering a new ring. Thank you very much for your help here people! I appreciate it!

I'm not following your logic at all here. So you are 2 inches when flaccid so you want a 1 inch long tube? That just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I think if you saw a tube that was 1 1/8" diameter and 1" long you would probable think there is no way I am going to fit in that. I would suggest taking a trip to home depot. Go to the tool section and grab a tape measure. Then go to the plumbing aisle and look for pvc and/or cpvc fittings. Look for a pipe cap 1" or 1 1/4" pipe (I don't think they make 1 1/8" pipe but I could be wrong). A 1 1/4" pipe cap will be about 1" deep on the inside and will have a 1 1/4" inside diameter. Should cost about 30 cents. Maybe pick up a few others while you are there.

My impression is that you are not ready to order a device, your numbers are all over the place and seem to change, sometimes a lot, every few days. I believe you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

just my 2 cents,

-A

[fonetik2003]

You're not taking into account the ring girth and the gap into this equation. Those two factors combined with the cage length will be just under 2 inches, which as I've already said is my flaccid length.

[Atone]

You're not taking into account the ring girth and the gap into this equation. Those two factors combined with the cage length will be just under 2 inches, which as I've already said is my flaccid length.

Where are you measuring the length? It is usually recommended that you measure along the underside from where the shaft meets the ball sack to to the tip. If you do this the ring girth and gap don't affect the measurement.

No matter how you measure it if you end up with a 1" cage length (2" on top or 1" on the bottom) you can use a pipe cap to get an idea of just how small that is. It may be possible that you really are that small but it seems unlikely.

Good luck with this.

-A

[greengrass]

This is a really interesting conversation.

I've just gone through this process, last week I placed an order at MM for a Queen's Keep and since I did not want the device to go charging back and forth across the Atlantic (I'm based in the UK) I wanted to get it right first time. I therefore spent a lot of time considering the sizing.

I already have a CB3000, so had a pretty good starting point. I also read the posting about sizing on the Chastity Mansion site (I think it was linked to earlier in this thread). I did not agree with everything that was written, but as it has already been said, we are all different and I do not believe there is a single set of rules that suits everyone.

I have decided on a 1 7/8" ring, because that is the ring size I use with the CB3000. The Chastity Mansion posting says to go bigger. I thought about that but decided that the 1 7/8" ring fits me well and doesn't cause pain or wakes me during nocturnal erections.

The gap is 3/8" as suggested by MM as most people are happy with that spacing. This is more than my CB3000 gap and because I've had an issue with escaping testicles in the past, I thought carefully about increasing it. I eventually went for the 3/8" gap because a) I've chosen an oval ring and not a round one. and b) I've increased the diameter of the cage.

The internal diameter of the CB3000 is 1 3/8". Though I thought I was happy with the internal diameter of the CB3000, the Chastity Mansion posting suggested to go larger. Upon reflection I felt this was a good idea, but how large. I originally though 1/4" but even though that sounds like a small increase, it is a significant increase in circumference (remember pi*d from school?). So I decided to go for an 1/8" up to 1.5" and hope that works out.

Then it came to length. For me, the CB3000 is too long. so I was looking for a reduction in length for my custom built device. I measured myself as advised on the MM site. My first measurement came out at 2.5", but as suggested by MM, I measured myself several times over the course of a day or so and realised that 2" was a more accurate length. I have read that you should reduce the cage length further by 1/4" but that is a 25% reduction so decided against that one.

So there you have it. the order has been sent, and now I wait. wondering if I've got things right.

greengrass.

[Atone]

So there you have it. the order has been sent, and now I wait. wondering if I've got things right.

I think you made a good choice on sticking with your CB sized ring. I certainly wouldn't go larger. I think that is the only place I have ever seen suggest going larger on the ring. I'm not sure I would have gone larger in the diameter if I wasn't having a problem in the CB3000 but I will say that my Jailbird that is 1 3/8" diameter feels like it is smaller than my CB3000 was so the extra 1/8" may be just right. Bringing the length down will also help fill the tube. I really don't think you can take length and width as two independent measurements, when put in the tube one affects the other.

I read the "advice" that was presented over on Chastity Mansion and my impression was that it was presented as authoritative by someone that had no experience. That was started as his way of measuring for his first custom device. If you read through some of the posts you will see that he was happy with the perfect fit. If you continue to read you will see that he then had some changes made to it. I don't remember what they were but I think it was a new base ring. I suspect that some other issues have come up as well.

I think that his technique for measuring has merit. As I went to smaller devices I got used to them and realized I could /should go a littler smaller here, a little longer there etc.. Part of that was my anatomy getting used to being compressed a bit. I do not agree with a lot of his sizing advice though. Not because it didn't work for him but rather that just because it worked for him doesn't mean it will work for anyone (everyone) else.

You will find that most of the members of this group will provide advice based on their own experiences and present it as such. Even (especially?) the experienced members will qualify their responses are based on their own experiences and that it may apply differently to you. I try to be particularly careful of this, based on how many devices I have been through only a fool would let me size one for them I do however try to share the process that got me from one device to the next in hopes that others can relate to that and see how that may or may not apply to them. If there was truly a foolproof way of making a perfectly fitting, perfectly secure, perfectly comfortable (all on the first attempt) device there would be no traffic on these boards.

Please update us on your progress with this. I really like the design of the Queens Keep and probably would have got one if they were available when I was looking for something a little different than my Jailbird. I tried having a jailbird like cage welded to the end of my Pet Trap to get a similar result but it was a hack (and a bit heavy) and never really worked out. There is a thread on here somewhere about it, if you are interested it would probably show up under a search for "pet trap" and "the beast" which is what I nicknamed it.

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[Tom Allen]

You will find that most of the members of this group will provide advice based on their own experiences and present it as such. Even (especially?) the experienced members will qualify their responses are based on their own experiences and that it may apply differently to you.

Everybody except me. My word is Gospel.

While we're on this subject, does anybody have a weight for the Jailbird, or the other MM devices? I realize that it will depend upon the sizing, but I'd love to see some weight stats for the rings and cages, if possible.

[Atone]

While we're on this subject, does anybody have a weight for the Jailbird, or the other MM devices? I realize that it will depend upon the sizing, but I'd love to see some weight stats for the rings and cages, if possible.

I know I posted these once but I cannot find it on my iPhone. I'll either look for it tonight or just re-weigh them, might be quicker.

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[celticqueens_sub]

Dude... she's gotta let you out first.... can't just flop it on the scales.... CQ lets me out at night coz I can't cope with the night time hardons... its just too disruptive, I will see if we have any scales that can measure it. I'm guessing its about 2000kg, feels like it anyway... Seriously I love the weight feeling it gives.

[Atone]

True but I am wearing my steelheart.

Agree about liking the weight. Sometimes when everything is just right it just sways as I move, really cool feeling.

-A