Looking for suggestions for a chastity app

[BBS2012]

Let the app randomize the length of time for a penalty. All the KH has to do is push the button and the app decides how many days should b added.

[Princess K]

I don't claim to represent "the keyholder perspective."

That being said, chastity is usually sold to us as being all about our wants and needs and about our taking control. An app that tells me how to tease or punish my partner on any given occasion is the opposite of that philosophy, in my opinion.

[locked4her55]

I don't claim to represent "the keyholder perspective."

That being said, chastity is usually sold to us as being all about our wants and needs and about our taking control. An app that tells me how to tease or punish my partner on any given occasion is the opposite of that philosophy, in my opinion.

I have to agree.

[TwistedMister]

...chastity is usually sold to us as being all about our wants and needs and about our taking control. An app that tells me how to tease or punish my partner on any given occasion is the opposite of that philosophy, in my opinion.

It may have been 'sold' to some that way, but regardless of whether it was or wasn't, the existence of such an app or such a feature within an app does not negate your control. No one is forcing you to use the app or particular features that may be in it, *you* are in control of whether you use it or not.

The primary idea of the app seems to me to be about enhancing control, a tool that can be used...or not...for that purpose, merely an additional element. The idea I expressed about the random tease/penalty feature is simply something that *some* might find amusing to use- there are plenty of people who enjoy games of chance and this sort of randomization would appeal to them.

There are many games (one can purchase) and game ideas (using dice/cards/etc.) that incorporate these elements of chance and randomness, they provide a sense of mystery, suspense and mischief that is quite appealing to some people. Would you deprive these people of that amusement by insisting that your way is the [only] 'right' way? If your 'philosophy' and viewpoint is so narrow as to preclude the ability to appreciate what is being offered as a *choice*, that's fine if that's what works for *you* (and your partner), but it doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else.

[Princess K]

Would you deprive these people of that amusement by insisting that your way is the [only] 'right' way? If your 'philosophy' and viewpoint is so narrow as to preclude the ability to appreciate what is being offered as a *choice*, that's fine if that's what works for *you* (and your partner), but it doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else.

No, I wouldn't, hence my very first sentence:

I don't claim to represent "the keyholder perspective."

The original poster is doing market research, I offered an opinion. I'm not trying to slap down the other perspectives, just add another one.

I can't begin to speak for all KHs and believe me, I don't want to. I'm coming from my own experiences a a relative newbie who has had conversations with other newbies about some of the bumps in the road when getting started with MC (namely, the oft-discussed topping-from-the-bottom issue). I worry about well-meaning men downloading this app and presenting it to their partners as a keyholding tutorial, as an earlier poster suggested. That's what I'm reacting to. Would it have helped if I had explained that?

I hesitate to say this, because I'm really not trying to be incendiary, but multiple keyholders on that side of the board have mentioned that they don't post over here because they feel that they get attacked when they do. You don't have to agree with me, but calling my viewpoint "narrow" is a little much.

[Tom Allen]

I hesitate to say this, because I'm really not trying to be incendiary, but multiple keyholders on that side of the board have mentioned that they don't post over here because they feel that they get attacked when they do. You don't have to agree with me, but calling my viewpoint "narrow" is a little much.

Hmm, this is interesting. Perhaps because I'm one of the guys, I haven't really noticed this. Or rather, what I see as *enthusiasm* and excitement is what some of the women see as pushiness and bottom-topping. But I do remember a recent member also mentioning that some of the guys were over-explaining their position, even after she pointed out that she understood.

While I don't think that any one is actually being attacked, perhaps this is a good time to remind some of the regular users that your exuberance can sometimes get in the way of understanding how someone else feels about an issue.

In this case, PrincessK is a good example: Her point was that many guys approach their partners with the selling points that chastity will put them, the keyholders, in charge. The guys then go off to give them a list of ways to make this happen. An app with pre-set or random unlocking times is just one more way to remove the control from the keyholder - or at least, a keyholder who is interested in controlling things in her own way.

[Revner]

The idea here is to have multiple types of trackers and to be completely since every relationship is different. You would add only the ones you were interested in. When you start there would be no trackers at all. Users will select as many or as few trackers as they want to use. A basic look might be, for, example:

X days in chastity
Y days until next orgasm

The KH could easily change the end date at their discretion.

Perhaps they like doing ratios. There will be a tracker for that.
Or X O's within a time period.

Obviously not everyone will not want nor need every tracker and the app isn't going to force even show you stuff you don't want to use. As an example, while these forums are very geared towards to devices, I myself kink on OC without them so wouldn't have any use for tracking device cleaning, for instance.

I've started development on it - the first version is going to be local storage only (no accounts, no linking two people, ect) and designed to make tracking easy for KHs. If it received well I will continue to update it for accounts, cloud storage, and linking partners, which will require monthly server fees and such that I don't want want incur just yet (especially given that the app is going to be free).

Thank you all for the feedback so far and I hope the discussion continues.

[locked4her55]

Would you deprive these people of that amusement by insisting that your way is the [only] 'right' way? If your 'philosophy' and viewpoint is so narrow as to preclude the ability to appreciate what is being offered as a *choice*, that's fine if that's what works for *you* (and your partner), but it doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else.

Correction here. The above quote was from TwisterMister not Locked4her55

That said, I get reminded sometimes by my wife with regards to chastity that she is in charge of what does or doesn't happen. Sure sometimes we roll a pair of dice to extend or diminish my lock up time and other times we draw cards which may say things like "unlocked for T&D only" These games she chooses to use sometimes are really only low tech applications instead of a high tech Smartphone app.

Who are we to put down a Key Holder who wants to incorporate some high tech ways to spice up the game? IMO it shouldn't be the CD wearer telling the KH that this is how he wants the game to be played.

[TwistedMister]

I worry about well-meaning men downloading this app and presenting it to their partners as a keyholding tutorial, as an earlier poster suggested. That's what I'm reacting to. Would it have helped if I had explained that?

Yes.

I hesitate to say this, because I'm really not trying to be incendiary, but multiple keyholders on that side of the board have mentioned that they don't post over here because they feel that they get attacked when they do. You don't have to agree with me, but calling my viewpoint "narrow" is a little much.

Actually, I spent quite a bit of time considering the wording of that response so as to be clear in the expression of my thoughts without being insulting or offensive. The opinion you expressed did not appear to consider any of the other permutations in the way others approach this- a view that is arguably 'narrow' but which can be subject to change, and I wanted to limit my response to the *idea* rather than to criticize *you* [personally] for holding such an opinion.

As far as keyholders being "attacked"- I cannot recall a single instance of it. Since the creation of the 'keyholder only' thread/forum and the encouragement of keyholders to join...it doesn't seem to me that many have posted much outside of it. Those few(?) who have, AFAIK have been treated with the same respect that other members enjoy...and perhaps with a little more deference even though there is no requirement that non-keyholders defer to keyholders who are not their own.

The members of this forum seem to me to be the most well-behaved netizens of any board I have seen, even going back to a time when usenet was just about the only option, and fidonet before that. The few instances that even remotely resemble an 'attack' have all been directed at non-keyholders who have arrived and immediately begun spouting unrealistic fantasy stories as though they were reality, (intentionally or unintentionally) subverting the intent of the board to be a forum for the exchange of realistic information.

I am dumbfounded at the idea that any keyholder should have cause to feel 'attacked' and I should think that Tom and the other mods would be quick to stamp out any such behavior if it were made known to them. They do a fantastic job of keeping things real and maintaining a well-behaved community (not to mention the endless job of fighting off the spammers).

[Tom Allen]

I am dumbfounded at the idea that any keyholder should have cause to feel 'attacked' and I should think that Tom and the other mods would be quick to stamp out any such behavior if it were made known to them. They do a fantastic job of keeping things real and maintaining a well-behaved community (not to mention the endless job of fighting off the spammers).

I'm going to reiterate that I can understand some of the men here exuberantly explaining their beliefs to some of the women who have posted, and the women feeling as if the men simply haven't "heard" their (the woman's) side of the issue. We had several long-running threads with Wonderingwife a few months ago, and while she was thick-skinned enough to keep at it, it came up several times in 100+ comments in one particular thread that some of the men simply did not bother to read what she had to say, and just tried to sell her on the same points that she had already heard.

That's not being attacked, but it's certainly not making someone feel welcomed and appreciated. The point is that some of us keep trying to tell the women how it "should be" without a) giving them a chance to develop their own style, and b) taking the time to hear and understand what they (the women) would/could want out of this.