Poll: What Goes Out Must Go Back In

[Anymouse]

I don't normally post things from our blog here (as the owners here have a blogging function), but as Chastity Forums gets a lot more traffic than our blog does, I will post my query here too, as I wish to receive as many answers to my question as possible.

Keyheld is the male-chastity big blog list resource for primarily vanilla sorts of relationships. The Female-Led Relationship equivalent is Sheheld. Curiously, there does not seem to be any vanilla female-chastity blogs on Keyheld, but perhaps that is simply uncommon.

Lately on Keyheld's various blogs though, a number of men (or their keyholders) have written about having the men "clean up" their cum if they orgasm, or in one case at A Married Couple's Journey into Submission and Male Chastity (where like this blog, both write in the same blog), "what comes out must go back in." That seems to be a popular topic this summer at Keyheld; A Married Couple's Journey's story about that at the link above struck me as particularly interesting.

In the "about" section of their blog, they note that a lot of chastity play written up seems to be scripted, or perhaps fiction — she and her hub wanted to document a real couple's journey through the wonderful world of male chastity, just as we did when we started Plains Chastity. They have been married twenty years; my Sweetie and I seven (I suspect if we two couples lived near each other we would have a lot to talk about — but as rural as we are I suspect we will never meet others like us, which is a true shame).

Mistress K writes about saving his cum. She speculates on using it as ice cubes for her hub to suck on while she "fucks his boy pussy" (pegs him? fucks him with toys? is training him for cuckolding? The deponent saith not) and other uses for it.

Mistress K also writes about riding her hub; I presume like my Sweetie, she does not wish to give up her favourite toy; she just expects him to clean up after himself. (She wants his penis, not his cum. She also saves it to paint on herself when she wants service as she apparently is training him to enjoy devouring his cum as the price and privilege of making her happy.)

She also writes about occasionally suspending hub by his ankles (or simply pointing his feet at the sky) so that he can cum directly in his mouth; as I wrote about some time ago, my Sweetie has me do the same (but no trapeze required as I am flexible enough to aim at myself if she wishes). I wrote about this here back in June.

In my case, it has been the penalty for cumming. If she strokes me or if she has me masturbate and I fail to control myself, I get a facial (and a lot is returned to me via my open mouth as my wife does not wish me to lose weight and every calorie counts). Though I have tried very hard since June, I have failed every time (as I wrote it is both exciting and terrifying at the same time to be staring at the source of what will be a facial whilst I struggle and fail to maintain control while she strokes or orders me to masturbate).

But that brings me to my poll. Several people blogging at Keyheld have "strayed" from simple vanilla pursuits of chastity, and many keyholders have done "other things" with the men they love enough to control.

My sweetie has not done much beyond male chastity with me since we started a few years ago. So my poll is to both keyholders and their men: what sorts of things do you think my sweetie ought to try with me (or to me)? I am open to suggestions, and if she is too, we can take your suggestions, try them out, and write about the real-world application of them (do they work? how well? how far from a vanilla female-led-relationship will my sweetie go in the name of scientific endeavour to satisfy your curious hypotheses and questions?)

Please comment below with suggestion that she might try. Mistress K's saving cum trick for cum whore training, ice cube trick for the same (could even be used in something like coffee, soda, &c), permanent wearing of my chastity devices or chastity belt, anal-oral worship/orgasms for my sweetie, pegging with toys or other things, spanking, twenty-four seven wear of lacy underthings, cuckolding, cock-ball torture (CBT) other things I cannot think of because I am too sheltered and vanilla?

I would exchange E-mail addresses with her hub (if she and my Sweetie would allow it) but I do not know how to do so without posting in the open, except perhaps here at the big private chastity discussion forum.

My Sweetie is here too, and can take answers to this at the Keyholder's Room here if you don't want me to know about it (she is user BethK)

[Tom Allen]

Hi Anymouse. You're probably aware of this, so I'm just using this post to bring the new folks up to speed.

There are a half dozen web forums that deal with chastity, but they do so within the context of BDSM. Chastity Forums was started as a place where people who are mainly vanilla (or vanilla-ish) can discuss this kink. And from here, we set up Keyheld as a resource for folks who wanted to explore a bit further. Most of the bloggers tend to the vanilla side, but they range to those actively engaged in BDSM play.

First, I think that male chastity is much more common, simply because it's much less expensive. Most of the devices sold are trapped-ball devices, or sleeves secured by a piercing. Contrast that with the belts for women which cost upwards of $1,000 USD. My own opinion is that women in chastity tend to be engaged in BDSM play, and are not doing it as a relationship enhancer the way that most of the readers on this blog, and the content of Keyheld tend to be.

As to your *actual* question of what your Sweetie could try next, I hope the people around here have some good suggestions for you.

[TwistedMister]

My sweetie has not done much beyond male chastity with me since we started a few

years ago. So my poll is to both keyholders and their men: what sorts of things do you think

my sweetie ought to try with me (or to me)? I am open to suggestions, and if she is too, we

can take your suggestions, try them out, and write about the real-world application of them

(do they work? how well? how far from a vanilla female-led-relationship will my sweetie go

in the name of scientific endeavour to satisfy your curious hypotheses and questions?)

I am a proponent of a graduated, progressive approach to kink. After all, if you did the

naughtiest, nastiest things you could think of first, wouldn't everything else be sort of

anticlimactic?

That aside, I have a few thoughts, but they are presented with little concern as to where

they might fall on the kink-scale (you, and other readers, can decide that for yourselves).

Lately on Keyheld's various blogs though, a number of men (or their keyholders)

have written about having the men "clean up" their cum if they orgasm, or in one case at A

Married Couple's Journey into Submission and Male Chastity (where like this blog, both

write in the same blog), "what comes out must go back in." That seems to be a popular

topic...Mistress K writes about saving his cum. She speculates on using it as ice cubes for

her hub to suck on...

I'll probably write mostly from my point of view, because that's what I know best, with some speculation on other perspectives.

The idea of being forced to 'clean up', to consume the ejaculate each and every time it

escapes (whether by leakage, milking, ruined orgasm or full orgasm) makes me hard, it

arouses me considerably. Not because I like it, because I don't. I don't like the taste, I don't

like the smell. It's degrading, it's humiliating, it's *wrong*. From the heterosexual point of

view, men aren't supposed to be the receivers of sperm (semen, seed, cum, jizz, spluge,

etc.). It's dirty, it's nasty, and it's perverted...but it turns me on, and to be told how dirty,

nasty and perverted I am for getting hard at the thought of it makes me even harder.

It's not the act itself that arouses me, it's the fact of being *required*, *forced* to do it. I

understand that there are some guys who quite willingly, even eagerly, lap up their own

jizz...but that ain't me. The author of the 'Lazy Domme' blog covers this in one of her posts on the subject (blog hasn't been updated for a while, but it is still up and is a good read) here: http://lazydomme.blogspot.com/2011/05/f ... ating.html

I disagree with the Lazy Domme's speculation that it should not be an 'every time' thing, I think it should be. I think it should be [part of] the price one pays for being allowed an orgasm. I am turned on by the mind-fuck of wanting to cum, but knowing that if I do I will be forced (one way or another) to perform the nasty, disgusting, humiliating act of consuming the result each and every time it occurs...preferably with the added embarrassment of having it pointed out just how turn-on one is despite (or because of) the knowlege of what is going to happen afterward.

There are, potentially, several reasons why a woman might want to insist on this practice, or that she might want to *claim* as the reason(s) for insisting on it, the first one, of course, is that it *amuses* her to do so. Other 'reasons' could include the idea that *she* has swallowed enough of his sperm and it's only fair that *he* should be required to do it now, or she could take a wider view that women in general have swallowed enough of men's sperm and now *he* is going to have to make up for that (and, of course, the male perception that 'swallowers' are preferred to 'spitters')...and/or the related idea that so much pornography created for men's pleasure (pictures/movies/videos) features men unloading onto women's faces/bodies and mouths (the 'money shot'), and now that she is in a position to do so, she is going to make *him* pay for all of that 'degradation' (as some anti-porn activists might want to call it). And, of course, for those who entertain ideas of the cuckold thing, she might want to insist that he 'needs the practice' and/or needs to 'learn to like it' "...because you're going to be eating a lot more of it in the future..." (whether she actually intends it or just wants to screw with his head). Any or all of these could be used, and perhaps others that escape me at the moment.

Saving the sperm, either in cubes or (for larger quantities) in a freezer baggie presents other options. Larger amounts can be gathered for later use as desired, either directly in the mouth, smeared on the face or on food and in drinks, with the larger quantities providing a more profound experience (if some is good, more must be better).

Saving semen also provides additional options for those entertaining the notion of cuckolding. It can be used for the simulation of the actual event, or as a prelude to it, and allows the woman to observe the man's reaction(s) (in a 'safe' way, and if he reacts very badly it can be explained that nothing has actually happened, she has remained 'faithful' and no other men are involved). The woman can introduce one or more cubes into her vagina (yikes?) and allow it/them to melt and come to body temperature, whereupon she sits on her [restrained] male's face and makes him pleasure her...at which point he discovers that her pussy is full of cum that he didn't put there, while he is still hard, horny and orgasmless. The woman can regale him with a story of how big, how fat, how many cocks there were, and how much she enjoyed getting fucked [by it/them] while he 'licks her clean'...and, (assuming that he has not completely freaked out) if he is still hard and aroused she has the additional option (if humiliation is a desired element) of commenting on it and berating him for being hard and aroused while [ostensibly] sucking another man's (or men's) cum out of her pussy. Naturally, it is *her* option to [later] admit to the deceit (but tell him that next time, or some other time, it will be *real*) or to leave him wondering. He may know that she has been saving his semen, but can he really be sure that it was his own that he was eating? Not if she has played it right.

The above scenario can take some effort to set up properly in order to be believeable and many small details have been left out, it's just a general idea. One of the ways I have worked it out in my mind is that she could either come home from work (late) or go out somewhere and be gone for a period of time. If she has the means to keep the cube(s) of semen frozen and doesn't mind stuffing a chunk inside herself in that condition she could do that before returning home (leaving enough time for it to melt). If restraints are desired or necessary, she could call before she arrives and order him to restrain himself (leaving a means of escape near at hand in case of emergency, which she removes when she arrives). Frankly, I have no idea how long it would take for a quantity of semen to leak out of a vagina, I suppose it would depend on how much there was to begin with, how far it was inserted, and how much she might want to have left. Otherwise, the same scenario could occur with the difference being that the semen is left in the freezer, and when she arrives home she thaws the desired amount (in a container or baggie in warm water) and then fills a 'lube shooter' (available from Amazon) with the liquified semen and uses it to inject it inside herself.

An alternative scenario (one of my favorites) on the same idea involves restraining the 'victim' in the bedroom and leaving him there with some cuckold/forced-bi porn from Roman Video on the dvd machine for company and to cover any noise that she might be making while out of the room (I know that there are some people who will squawk about it being 'bad' to leave someone alone while restrained, but in my own case, I have that covered- I have a wireless audio/video feed (color and active infra-red) into a receiver in the livingroom that provides for remote monitoring- safety first). While she is out of the bedroom, she can pound on the door to simulate someone knocking (loud enough for the 'victim' to hear it over the porn) and open and slam the door. Then, she can entertain herself and warm up by using a dildo to give herself that 'just fucked' look. Before the video ends, she slams the door again to simulate someone leaving, loads up the lube-shooter and fills herself up ("Damn, he's sooooo big and he shoots such HUGE loads, Honey..."), then returns to the bedroom to complete the humiliation of forcing the husband to lick the boyfriend's sperm out of her pussy.

Similar scenarios/ideas could be accomplished by using the saved semen and a condom- the woman could could unroll and fill a condom with the desired amount, which she inserts into her vagina (tie a knot in the open end) to bring it up to body temp ("I kept it warm for you, Honey"). She can then produce it, cut the the knot off and use it as desired- on food, in a drink, dumped directly into his mouth or on his face, or even dribbled onto herself (vagina, breasts) for the 'victim' to lick up. Depending on the quantity used, she could claim it was from a single donor, multiple loads from a single donor, or multiple loads from multiple donors.

Yes, I have a very Twisted and devious mind. Now, while it is likely that the 'victim' may realize that his wife/SO/KH is saving his semen, if she is creative she can hide/disguise it so that he doesn't know how much she has collected, and if she chooses not to tell him he can never be sure that it was actually his own.

Personally, I find these scenarios very erotic, particularly the coming home with a pussy full of semen, and the 'boyfriend' (or boyfriends, plural) fucking her in the livingroom while he is restrained in the bedroom. If she is convincing, and if it isn't contrary to the couple's limits, the woman could seamlessly move on to *actually* cuckolding him and making him lick another man's sperm from her pussy while keeping him unsure of whether that's what he was really doing...until such time as she arranged for him to be present for such an occasion. If my wife were to get it in her mind to do something like this, I think that this would be the most 'fun' and exciting (for both of us) way to accomplish it- simulated but uncertain -> real but uncertain -> real, present and forced to watch. Naturally, I would have to be completely restrained during all phases and *forced* to perform (and no 'safeword' to get out of it, I know that some people might balk at that, but that's what lights my fire, I'm a proponent of RACK rather than SSC, the Lazy Domme has a couple of posts regarding safewords, or the lack, and restraint/force, one of my turn-ons is consensual non-consent)...at least until such time as Mrs. Twisted were to develop the skills and command presence of RegularJoe's Lady Beth, and I were 'trained' well enough to perform as well as RegularJoe with only the chastity device in place to keep me in line (well, minus the rimjobs- that is one of the [few] places where I draw the line and it's one of my Hard Limits).

I can't really explain why this turns me on so much, but it does. Mrs. Twisted and I have touched on this idea while playing, the first time was an accidental miscommunication but subsequent references to it have been intentional, and it turned out to be something that gets us both fired up. I think that she wants to do it, but her [straight-laced Catholic] inhibitions prevent her from exploring it for real. As for myself, sometimes I think I should be disgusted with myself for having and being turned on by such Twisted thoughts, but, on the other hand, mostly I think it would be really, really exciting to explore it...to ultimately be forced to watch while she enjoys the pleasure of fucking and sucking to her heart's content in a completely uninhibited hedonistic orgy, and forced to consume massive quantities of cum produced by it, perhaps even being forced to participate in other ways...but I'm much too embarrassed to tell *her* that...besides, telling her that such nasty thoughts turn me on would spoil the fun, I'd rather she learn gradually, that these ideas should come to her on a progressive basis, spontaneously or otherwise, such that instead of scaring her off, they inspire in her a desire to go further...and I would prefer to be surprised, to be amazed as she peels away the layers of her inhibitions like the layers of an onion, to be subjected gradually to kinkier play over a period of time that could take months, even years before we tire of it...though preferably quickly enough that we are not too old to enjoy it (having both passed the 50 mark, we don't have *that* much time left). However, as I write this events, are being set into motion, which may lead to her having the opportunity to begin making some of these discoveries, and once started I will not be able to control them or to stop them...I could stop it now, if I wanted to...but do I? No, not really, I *like* 'playing with fire'...

My apologies Anymouse, I may have exceeded the scope of your inquiry with my own ramblings. But, take of it what you will...perhaps, you have even had some similar thoughts...

[locked4her55]

It's not the act itself that arouses me, it's the fact of being *required*, *forced* to do it.

I'm with you on this one.

I have a very Twisted and devious mind.

Yup, Your name befits you.


While I find your ideas very arousing I would be hesitant to actually act them out. For me it falls into the BCWYWF category.

I've got a really great marriage and keyholder and wouldn't want to f**k it up.

[LOCKED HUSBAND]

It's not the act itself that arouses me, it's the fact of being *required*, *forced* to do it.

I'm with you on this one.

I have a very Twisted and devious mind.

Yup, Your name befits you.


While I find your ideas very arousing I would be hesitant to actually act them out. For me it falls into the BCWYWF category.

I've got a really great marriage and keyholder and wouldn't want to f**k it up.

I'll second that !!!
What scares me is some of those ideas have gone through my mind not all but some, there are always new things to think about when TwistedMister post.

[Tame Lion]

On the subject of female forced chastity: it's not the most practical activity. Menstruation while in a belt is more than a mess; it's a petri dish for all sorts of infections. Years ago, I asked the owner of Access Denied, a great full belt maker, what proportion of his customers were buying female chastity belts. He said about 25% and virtually all of them wore them voluntarily when the went out as a sort of rape control.

In terms of kinky things we do, well that varies enormously with the male fantasy, Some women love to torture their men (and the men love it!), but the vast majority play with us because they know we like it. Mrs. Lion feeds me semen because she knows it is a hot fantasy of mine. In fact, she *likes* the taste and I don't. But now and then I get some.

[TwistedMister]

While I find your ideas very arousing I would be hesitant to actually act them out. For me it falls into the BCWYWF category.

I've got a really great marriage and keyholder and wouldn't want to f**k it up.

Well, the thing is, that most of that can be *simulated*, which allows you [both] to explore the experience without fucking anything up...or are you concerned that you, or she, or both of you would be so enamored with it that it would instill too keen a desire to make it reality?

[LockedandLoved]

Hmm this is definitely a topic near and dear to my heart.

As MK and I were discussing chastity, inevitably, the subject of orgasms came up ( no pun intended).

As a habitual masturbator and someone with a sexual addiction to porn, I told Her I felt I had cum more than enough in my life. It had lost all that made it special. It was merely the "end" to my "means."

So I asked Her to grant me a condition of our agreement.

I was to consume any and all cum going forward. No exceptions.

I explained that consuming my own cum produces powerful submissive feelings and if She is the one making me do it, those feelings will be to Her benefit.

Eating my own cum also is somewhat payment for cumming in the first place. Orgasms come at a price. That price is consumption.

We have not crossed this bridge yet as we just recently renewed our chastity agreements. It will be interesting to see what happens if and when She lets me cum.

For submissive boys like me, I think its a good requirement that shows your willingness to sacrifice when you are given the privilege of cumming by your KH

[ChastizedRob]

My wife says that once I have a ruined O or a real O in her I must clean up HER slimy mess. She says it is no longer mine and that justifies me cleaning her liquids up.

[Subinmemphis]

I've had the fantasy of being forced to drink it for several years now. Wish my kh was into it.